What about Knee Binding?

[PTskier]

A buddy has two bad knees. His right has a repaired shattered tibia plateau with too much metal in it to get a clear MRI--and likely a ligament strain from last week. His left has a partial replacement and pain there that the sawbones says he just has to live with. He's looking for a different surgeon. And, he likes to ski fast. He has new skis coming.

What about Knee Bindings? Do they offer possible benefits? Any drawbacks other than the price?

 

[AmyPJ]

 

[Philpug]

A buddy has two bad knees. His right has a repaired shattered tibia plateau with too much metal in it to get a clear MRI--and likely a ligament strain from last week. His left has a partial replacement and pain there that the sawbones says he just has to live with. He's looking for a different surgeon. And, he likes to ski fast. He has new skis coming.

What about Knee Bindings? Do they offer possible benefits? Any drawbacks other than the price?

He has knee issues....and he likes to ski fast...a combination that tends not to end well not matter what the binding that is being considered.

 

[James]

There was supposed to be an appeal Feb 13 at the VT Supreme Court.

http://www.stowetoday.com/stowe_rep...cle_da87ec52-7875-11e7-892b-33cc12a44382.html

 

[Bill Talbot]

 

[Erik Timmerman]

What about Knee Bindings? Do they offer possible benefits? Any drawbacks other than the price?

Sounds like his knees are in pretty rough shape. These won't make them worse.

 

[midwestfabs]

Besides the whole save the knee thing philosophies/arguments performance wise, durability, etc what has been the consensus in comparison to other brands?

Any thoughts from folks that have used them both and if what did you like/dislike b/w one or the other?

 

[Erik Timmerman]

I've skied them once. They felt - fine. Just like a binding. Living in Stowe where they are based, I see a lot of them, they seem to work just fine.

 

[PTskier]

I'll recommend them to my friend. They seem to be no problem and maybe a benefit.

 

[Ken_R]

The unique thing about the Knee Bindings is that they offer lateral release at the heel. A friend of mine has them and they look like good bindings just nothing special besides the lateral heel release. AFAIK it is the only alpine binding that offers lateral release in the heel as well as in the toe. All other alpine bindings only offer lateral release in the toe.

 

[Tricia]

Sounds like his knees are in pretty rough shape. These won't make them worse.

....or better.

 

[eok]

A buddy has two bad knees. His right has a repaired shattered tibia plateau with too much metal in it to get a clear MRI--and likely a ligament strain from last week. His left has a partial replacement and pain there that the sawbones says he just has to live with. He's looking for a different surgeon. And, he likes to ski fast. He has new skis coming.

What about Knee Bindings? Do they offer possible benefits? Any drawbacks other than the price?

Wow, those are serious injuries he's coping with.

Your buddy has had some serious knee injuries, which may have compromised knee function and durability. This puts him at greater risk of further injury when skiing (not to mention greater risk of developing arthritis in the knees). So the ideal thing to do is for him to see a good sports medicine specialist that works with skiers, get an assessment and treatment/therapy plan going.

 

[Fishbowl]

A buddy has two bad knees. His right has a repaired shattered tibia plateau with too much metal in it to get a clear MRI--and likely a ligament strain from last week. His left has a partial replacement and pain there that the sawbones says he just has to live with. He's looking for a different surgeon. And, he likes to ski fast. He has new skis coming.

What about Knee Bindings? Do they offer possible benefits? Any drawbacks other than the price?

I think the basic premise behind KneeBindings is not that they are not specifically for skiers with bad knees. If the claims are to be believed, they are most beneficial for skiers with good knees who don't want to become skiers with bad knees.

If they are good for your friend, they are even better for you.

Or not......

 

[oldschoolskier]

The concept is great for protecting from certain types of injuries.

The biggest concern for Kneebindings is that the original designer and developer is no longer with the company and there have been no improvements since then. So....,...?????? Pays your money takes your chances.

As to the history behind this separation is not worth digging up (hint the thread will be locked down quicker than a binding can release).

 

[Tricia]

The concept is great for protecting from certain types of injuries.

People forget that bindings weren't designed to protect anything from injury in the beginning.
They were designed to interface the ski boot to the ski.

 

[midwestfabs]

People forget that bindings weren't designed to protect anything from injury in the beginning.
They were designed to interface the ski boot to the ski.

Not a patent attorney, but given the kneebindngs were developed to add an additional feature, be it good or bad, and incorporate an additional interface b/w the ski boot and ski, have other binding companies tried to develop different release point ala kneebindings?

are they just waiting for the patent to expire and come up with their own version of binding with an added release interface b/w the ski boot and ski?

Since the release of the kneebindings have other binding companies beem propelled or incentivized to research if an added release component is worth it?

 

[Tricia]

For what its worth, there was a thread on Epic (now long lost) where a woman posted about an actual knee injury while she was skiing on a knee binding.
I think it was @gardenmary or someone she knows.

 

[neonorchid]

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For what its worth, there was a thread on Epic (now long lost) where a woman posted about an actual knee injury while she was skiing on a knee binding.
I think it was @gardenmary or someone she knows.

EPIC SKI
Kneebinding off-topic from... post 211
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HI Valli,

I am not the one who said there were 10 knee injuries on KneeBinding brand ski bindings. I said there are other knee injuries sustained on KneeBinding brand ski bindings — and these other knee injuries were reclassified by another party as either:

(a) 'not-appropriate' due to the mode of the injury mechanism [sic] or

(b) the injured skier did not have their boots properly buckled [sic] ...

and therefore these other knee injuries did not count [sic].

I am the original designer of KneeBinding brand ski bindings ... and the intention of the design is not what is being stated here in several recent posts:

KneeBinding brand ski bindings do not address "backward" or "rearward" loading as a stand-alone load; KneeBinding brand ski bindings do not address "twisting" loading any differently than all other alpine bindings; and KneeBinding brand ski bindings do not address "backward-twisting" or "rearward twisting" any differently than any other alpine bindings with tilting toe features (which KneeBinding does also have). KneeBinding brand ski bindings (and all other bindings with properly adjustable lateral heel release) address 'abduction (or valgus)-loaded rear-weighted' events (there is little or no "twisting" involved in 'abduction (or valgus)-loaded rear-weighted' events). The distinctions among these various types of injury mechanisms are not trivial: The abduction (or valgus) component is greater than the rear-weighting component by definition in Phantom Foot and Slip-Catch injury mechanisms. When the backward or rearward component is greater than the abduction (or valgus) component, it's a BIAD (Boot Induced Anterior Drawer) event.

Phantom Foot and Slip-Catch events have a prevalence of ~ 70 to 75% of all skiing ACL injuries; BIAD events have a prevalence of ~ 10 to 15% of all skiing ACL injuries (per Prof. Robert J. Johnson, MD; March, 2007).

Lateral heel release addresses Phantom Foot and Slip-Catch injury mechanisms.

Only bindings with vertical toe release address BIAD events. Presently, there are no toes on the market (world-wide) with vertical toe release that can be adjusted for variation in skier anthropometrics or retention differences.

The term "addresses" means "mitigates", never 'eliminates'.

As noted previously, I am sorry Valli for your injury: I take full responsibility for your injury because I should never have allowed the so-called investor to be the purported investor: KneeBinding, Inc. wrongly modified my design and has harmed the valuation of my original company, KneeBinding, Inc. As noted previously, I will do whatever is necessary to help you — short of providing you with money (because I have applied $625,000 to the still on-going litigation against KneeBinding and my net-worth is dissipated). (( Presently, the litigation is before the Vermont Supreme Court in the form of an 'Interlocutory Appeal' on a sub-issue within the main litigation while the main litigation is 'stayed' (on-hold). After the "Interlocutory Appeal' is decided [sic], the main litigation will be re-commenced [sic], and I believe that the trial (for the main litigation) may begin, unfortunately, in a year or two (perhaps as long as 3-yrs from now) and from this process — I hope to regain my assets and other recourse [sic].)) As previously noted, I will be glad to test your equipment at no-charge on my valgus torque equipment in order to generate measurements (not mere discussion without measurements). As noted before — and irrespectively of the dissipation of my net-worth — pls feel free to contact me to coordinate this testing, if you desire to have me test your equipment.

All of you can also ref the thread here on Epic, entitled; "Height, Length and DIN" for more info on testing valgus torque relative to ACL injuries.

Respectfully, kind regards — and Happy Easter.

( The skiing here in Stowe, Vermont, today was outstanding — and I sincerely hope that all of you have had a good season of skiing

Rick Howell
Stowe, Vermont"

 

[James]

A buddy has two bad knees. His right has a repaired shattered tibia plateau with too much metal in it to get a clear MRI--and likely a ligament strain from last week. His left has a partial replacement and pain there that the sawbones says he just has to live with. He's looking for a different surgeon. And, he likes to ski fast. He has new skis coming

A binding isn't going to help. Sounds like he's intent on destroying his knees.
Maybe a trip to Whiteface...

 

[Philpug]

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The term "addresses" means "mitigates", never 'eliminates'.

It comes down to this for every single binding on the market with every mode of release. It is working on the balance of releass and retention. The OP is asking for someone who already has knee issues, therefore is concerned about release and yet likes to ski fast, and thus wants retention. Something will have to give, so for him, which will it be?