Is it? Someone who has never skied before comes out to the mountain - where/how are they informed of their responsibilities?It is made amply it clear to skiers and riders what their responsibilities are.
Is it? Someone who has never skied before comes out to the mountain - where/how are they informed of their responsibilities?It is made amply it clear to skiers and riders what their responsibilities are.
Yeah maybe it's not. I seem to see the responsibility code all over the places, lift poles, urinals, back of ticket, inside gondolas, posters in tickets office, etc etc. But maybe one needs to read and pay some attention to absorb it ...Is it? Someone who has never skied before comes out to the mountain - where/how are they informed of their responsibilities?
Depends on the individual resort, I suppose. I've seen the code posted on lift poles at one resort (cannot remember which one - maybe Killington or Stowe), but at the two I frequent most often, I haven't seen anything.Yeah maybe it's not. I seem to see the responsibility code all over the places, lift poles, urinals, back of ticket, inside gondolas, posters in tickets office. But maybe one needs to read and pay some attention to absorb it ...
Yep and probably friends encouraging them to do stupid things.. go too fast, don’t turn because if you do that you can’t keep up, go on more advanced terrain than they should be on, not understand who has the right of way. Think of like high school ski clubs.. one would hope they at least educate their skiers on etiquette and skier code, but who knows. The one in my town goes to Wachusett, they get “optional” lessons, and from what I’ve usually seen in night skiing there the kids run a muck with not a lot or even any supervision in many cases. One parent chaperone posted a video of some of the kids straightlining racing eachother in a local Facebook group.. my comment was that they shouldn’t be promoting straightlining as skiing, and I hope the kids are being taught how to actually ski in a skilled and responsible way. Didn’t go over well, and they got very defensive.So you have people coming out whose only information/knowledge of skiing is what they've seen on YouTube/Instagram/TikTok.
Usually your behavior or lack of skill at an amusement park doesn’t have the potential to maim or kill someone around you.. how exactly is it like that? Outside of the long lines and expensive food. You are a much more active participant on the mountain, than a passive participant at an amusement park. There isn’t something you’re clipping into at the top to ski you down to the base. You do actually have to do something.SKiing by and large is less of a "sport" and more "recreation"...like going to an amusement park
My point is that's the way many people veiw skiing, for it's 'entertainment" value. And it's that mentality that's the problem.Usually your behavior or lack of skill at an amusement park doesn’t have the potential to maim or kill someone around you.. how exactly is it like that? Outside of the long lines and expensive food. You are a much more active participant on the mountain, than a passive participant at an amusement park. There isn’t something you’re clipping into at the top to ski you down to the base. You do actually have to do something.
That's how I view skiing, and how I view driving, and motorcylcing. It's fun and entertaining, especially at higher speeds.My point is that's the way many people veiw skiing, for it's 'entertainment" value. And it's that mentality that's the problem.
You’ve really felt the need to tell multiple dog owners that you’ll kill their dog if it bites your kid? Holy shit!Why do we not hold dog owners criminally responsible when their dog injures someone? I love dogs but I've told people if their dog bites my kid they're going home with a dead dog and that's on them..
A couple months ago someone shot a dog that had slipped their collar and was fighting another dog at the park. The other dog was on the leash and that dog owner pulled out their gun and shot and killed the loose dog while that owner was running there to grab their dog.In Ontario you are allowed by law to shoot any dog that is harassing your livestock. Doesn't even say biting. Why? Cows cost money and dogs don't. What's a child worth? I just find the cult of idiot dog owners offensive. "He never does that!" And he won't ever again.
We were skiing someplace recently where they had signage about responsibility in an incident.As with car violence: it is always a crash, not an accident, when the incident could have been avoided.
Words matter.
The incident with Mr. Martinez was a crash, there was full culpability. Sadly, much as with car violence we have become numbed to the seriousness of things by putting so many plausible deniability loopholes into law that most perpetrators get off with wrist slaps. it's insulting to the victims and allows people to get away with what is, for all intents and purposes, murder.
Should skiing safety laws be more solid, standard, and airtight? Absolutely. Are they completely analogous to driving? No, but the amount of wiggle room that basically plays the perp as a victim is fairly vast in many states and municipalities. Killing a person is a heavy duty, serious crime and the penalties should show that. The "intent" loophole used in LeMaster's murder (and it was murder, full stop) allowed for a person who will undoubtedly do the same move again to go free and set a truly horrific precedent moving forward.
Litigation is only good if it actually sets a precedent where safety and justice actually prevail. And in this case neither did.
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I shouldn’t have said it as such a generalization. And the run away part is super disturbing that I’m sure many hopefully would not do. Though I imagine there is a major adrenaline fight or flight response happening after that sort of accident. Hard to really say what anyone would do in a situation that causes that sort of systemic reaction..
I remember when there was an urban legend circulating that snowboarders were playing the knockout game with random skiers out there.I agree with the reckless demographic but fleeing is next level. I mean imagine a friend telling you 'yeah I ran into this guy and knocked him unconscious and before he got up I got the hell out of there'. Could you even stay friends with someone like that? Dude probably runs with a crew that told him he did the right thing.
This is essentially item 10 of the responsibility code ... it's posted everywhere I've skied in the last couple of years (since it was added to the code in the 2022 update)We were skiing someplace recently where they had signage about responsibility in an incident.
I recall the signage saying, "if you're involved in an incident, please stay on scene and exchange information. Wait for patrol to show up to write up an incident report."
I wish I could remember the ski area where I saw this but I felt it was smart.