My shortlist for new cheater gs, your thoughts?

[evr66]

Hi all, since my daughter "stole" my Dobermann GSR's and I'm starting to prefer a bit heavier stuff, looking for a new cheater GS.

Profile: tall 2m, 90-95 kgs, advanced level. Right now on piste mostly using Dyna FIS sl 165 and an (older model) Racetiger GSX (185/27m), both with plates, that kind of tools. For slush and soft snow enjoying a set of blades.

For training purposes looking for a ski in the 16m range, so a bit more versatile then the (lovely) racetigers

Shortlist so far:
1) wrt pro, but what a price.....
2) AtomicX9RS (really nice, but hard to get)
3) Deacon 72 Master
4) Fischer RC4 CT

Please, your thoughts, comparisons and opinions on these or other options

 

[anders_nor]

imho all of thoose are shorter radius than cheater GS, your looking at 15M radius skis, a GS is 30.

apart from that, yes all are very god options! owned nr 1 2 3, and skied nr 4

 

[evr66]

absolutely Right on the first , what s better name for this group?
How about a little details on the second? Main differences?

 

[Tony Storaro]

Hi all, since my daughter "stole" my Dobermann GSR's and I'm starting to prefer a bit heavier stuff, looking for a new cheater GS.

Profile: tall 2m, 90-95 kgs, advanced level. Right now on piste mostly using Dyna FIS sl 165 and an (older model) Racetiger GSX (185/27m), both with plates, that kind of tools. For slush and soft snow enjoying a set of blades.

For training purposes looking for a ski in the 16m range, so a bit more versatile then the (lovely) racetigers

Shortlist so far:
1) wrt pro, but what a price.....
2) AtomicX9RS (really nice, but hard to get)
3) Deacon 72 Master
4) Fischer RC4 CT

Please, your thoughts, comparisons and opinions on these or other options

Head eRace Pro should also be there

 

[evr66]

Tnx, will check

 

[Petrus]

absolutely Right on the first , what s better name for this group?
How about a little details on the second? Main differences?

In Italy we call this ski category: Multiturn

I think this indicates the ski is in between a GS and a SL, therefore suitable for both long and short turns

Salomon GS PRO is also missing, different appearance, but it's the brother of the Atomic X9RS

 

[anders_nor]

absolutely Right on the first , what s better name for this group?
How about a little details on the second? Main differences?

fun-radius-skis?

 

[James]

Head e race pro is the nicest color.

I’m surprised @anders_nor hasn’t lobbied you into the Stockli GS. It’s only 18.7m at 182cm. So still quite a lot of shape.

Laser GS

Wide, perfectly groomed slopes are its hunting ground. It loves wide, fast bends. The Laser GS impresses with its smooth running, even at high speeds. This is facilitated by the Carbon Steering Control technology developed in racing and an additional rubb

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[anders_nor]

Head e race pro is the nicest color.

I’m surprised @anders_nor hasn’t lobbied you into the Stockli GS. It’s only 18.7m at 182cm. So still quite a lot of shape.

Laser GS

Wide, perfectly groomed slopes are its hunting ground. It loves wide, fast bends. The Laser GS impresses with its smooth running, even at high speeds. This is facilitated by the Carbon Steering Control technology developed in racing and an additional rubb

www.stoeckli.ch

I have not tried the new GS, Im kinda boikotting them, the old 185 had a very short radius (vs stated as you could really bend it) and was a superb cheater GS, the new? well hmmm..



as for skis, I think the most giggeling factor goes to WRT pro, most precise goes to X9RS, and easiest to ski in variable conditions is 72 master with its slight rocker.



my GF tends to steal my WRT pros, so I get to ski X9RS a lot, and 72 master a friend "stole" so.. yeah

all are absolutly superb skis. I dont think the fischer is quite there with the others.

what are you paying for them? I payed 1/3 for my X9RS of what I did for my WRT pro, same with 72 master

 

[Tony Storaro]

I have not tried the new GS, Im kinda boikotting them, the old 185 had a very short radius (vs stated as you could really bend it) and was a superb cheater GS, the new? well hmmm..



as for skis, I think the most giggeling factor goes to WRT pro, most precise goes to X9RS, and easiest to ski in variable conditions is 72 master with its slight rocker.



my GF tends to steal my WRT pros, so I get to ski X9RS a lot, and 72 master a friend "stole" so.. yeah

all are absolutly superb skis. I dont think the fischer is quite there with the others.

what are you paying for them? I payed 1/3 for my X9RS of what I did for my WRT pro, same with 72 master

Yes, that’s the huge advantage of Atomic-you can find crazy deals on them.
I also paid for my Redsters FIS SL exactly a third of what Stockli FIS SL would send me back.

 

[evr66]

Pricing:

atomic hard to find, but will be around (eur) 1100 probably, deacon and fischer a little below that (700-900 range). Hmmm stockli pricing wrt pro probably way above what i’m willing to spend on a ski hahaha. Seen prices from 2k up

 

[Rudi Riet]

Keep a lookout for the Nordica Dobermann Multigara. It is very similar in demeanor and capability to the X9rs and can do pretty much any turn shape with no fuss, and it has a very high speed limit.

I coach on the X9 and having tried it side-by-side with the Nordica Multigara the latter is a great ski - underappreciated.

And compared to the Head e Race Pro? I vastly prefer the Atomic and Nordica. It could be that my test pair of Heads had a questionable tune (that was a big issue at last spring's testing events, one that I pointed out to Head) but the Atomic and Nordica were more versatile weapons.

 

[Tony Storaro]

Pricing:

atomic hard to find, but will be around (eur) 1100 probably, deacon and fischer a little below that (700-900 range). Hmmm stockli pricing wrt pro probably way above what i’m willing to spend on a ski hahaha. Seen prices from 2k up

Ah no, WRT Pros are not north of 2k, price from Stöckli web store is 1869 eur with the good bindings. Still lots of money tho

X9RS could be found at about 1000 eur but most places are unobtanium.

Head ERace pro with the good bindings are a bit below 1k eur

etc

 

[Andy Mink]

Take a look at the Kastle RX11. I don't have any experience on the others but enjoyed the heck out of a few runs on the RX.

 

[textrovert]

I have been looking for a similar ski... One on my list is Fischer RC4 CT. 65mm underfoot, r15.5m at 175cm.
Deacon 72 Master from your list was another.

 

[Brian Finch]

I still have a Deacon Master 76 that needs a home!!

 

[evr66]

Haha where? Us based? Think if its gonna be a deacon, will be goung for the 72

 

[evr66]

Keep a lookout for the Nordica Dobermann Multigara. It is very similar in demeanor and capability to the X9rs and can do pretty much any turn shape with no fuss, and it has a very high speed limit.

I coach on the X9 and having tried it side-by-side with the Nordica Multigara the latter is a great ski - underappreciated.

And compared to the Head e Race Pro? I vastly prefer the Atomic and Nordica. It could be that my test pair of Heads had a questionable tune (that was a big issue at last spring's testing events, one that I pointed out to Head) but the Atomic and Nordica were more versatile weapons.

Will check that one also! Have a set of dobermanns gsr but my daughter took them, multigara is a bit “more ski”? Think i outgrew the gsr a little.

 

[Rudi Riet]

Will check that one also! Have a set of dobermanns gsr but my daughter took them, multigara is a bit “more ski”? Think i outgrew the gsr a little.

The Multigara is more versatile: it's a SL sidecut in front of the binding toe and a GS sidecut behind the heel. It has a lot of power for a non-racing ski and more versatility than the GSR, for sure.

It was one of my favorites in last year's testing, hands down.

2024 Nordica Dobermann Multigara DC

Rudi Riet Size tested: 180cm (16.6m radius Location tested: Waterville Valley, NH Conditions tested: Dust-on-crust, groomed machine made, boilerplate It used to be that the Atomic X9 was the only "adult combi" ski on the market. This ski is a welcome addition to this field. The sidecut has a...

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And yes, it seems I was the only SkiTalk tester (that I'm aware of) to take these for a spin. But that's my nature: I gravitate toward narrower, more race oriented boards that most here - especially skiing in the east where soft snow and off-piste are rarities in my daily skiing life.

 

[Andy Mink]

And yes, it seems I was the only SkiTalk tester (that I'm aware of) to take these for a spin. But that's my nature: I gravitate toward narrower, more race oriented boards that most here - especially skiing in the east where soft snow and off-piste are rarities in my daily skiing life.

@Philpug makes me get on the fat ones!The RX11 was one of the few <70 I got on last test season.