I like the Turtle Fur Balaklava that is thick, because I can pull it away from my face and have it just act like a wall against wind without actually touching my face. The part under the helmet is thin, I can pull down the face protection entirely if I need to, or pull it away from my face if I need the exhalation room, but still need wind protection. It's less elastic or something than the other varieties, so it stays away, but still substantial enough to stay UP. When people give me buffs, I hand them to my daughter. She likes those things, but they are too tight for me.