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Individual Review Long-Term Review: J Skis The Metal (Skyfather David Hale x J Collab)

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Jason Levinthal is a visionary who has always questioned the way things were done -- from the way skis are built, to where they are used, to how they are marketed and get onto skiers' feet.
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Most of you are familiar with the history, but as a quick overview: Jason Levinthal pretty much invented park skis and park skiing. When he was not allowed in the halfpipe with his old straight skis, he went back to his lab and built some small twin tips that were basically two narrow snowboards. He returned to the park and and the rest is history. He founded Line Skis, yada yada, fast forward to today and J Skis.

Along with the Masterblaster, the Metal is one of Jason’s core models. We received it in a 173 and a 186; they are not men's and women's versions, but skis for two different-sized skiers. Well-known tattoo artist David Hale designed the graphic motif, which has a native American asymmetrical theme that is very sharp and clean. Yes, J Skis tend to be marketed to Millennials, but any Gen Y or Baby Boomer should not hesitate to buy a ski with such classy graphics; they will not feel out of place at Deer Valley, Beaver Creek, or any other swank resort. Only 160 were made, so it definitely is a limited production.

I first got on the 186 a few weeks ago; I am really sorry for the delay in getting this up, but I was waiting for conditions to change so I could get more time on them. It just did not happen, so I shipped the skis to Colorado to give our resident Millennial/park guy @dean_spirito a chance to ski them in their natural habitat, aka the park. Tricia has been out on the 173; look for her review and basis for a Cage Match against other skis in the class.

I found the Metal to be very light and playful, almost puppyish. And, like a puppy, it had a short attention span and wandered a bit when it saw something shiny ... like firmer snow. All in all, with dimensions of 135-106-124, it is a fun ski and likes the trees and fluffy bumps. I did find its limitations on firmer snow, but not much sooner or later than with most skis in this lightweight, jib-oriented class of skis. I will let the rest of the testers chime in with their opinions. I think Jason knows his market and is getting them the skis they want and enjoy.
  • Who is it for? Individuals, nonconformists, skiers who like a light playful tool to pop and play off of any and every stump, jump, and knoll.
  • Who is not for? Bigger, stronger skiers who like skis on the power side of the scale.
  • Other skis in class: Line Sir Francis Bacon, Blizzard Peacemaker, Armada ARV 106, K2 Marksman.
 

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Looking forward to hearing more as they get more on snow time. It sounds like a fun ski with a little metal in it so maybe it's more stable than other playful similar width skis in this class but not so much metal that they're super stiff and damp. My one complaint with skis like this are them being deflected badly in chop.
 

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Just posted our review of "The Metal"

http://exoticskis.com/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=527

and "Masterblaster"

http://exoticskis.com/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=525

We agree with Phil on the observations on "The Metal"...a classic and well-designed twin tip with the characteristics people should expect with a twin...playful, loose, agile, smearable and poppy. We disagree a bit with Jason's description of his metal-infused 106mm-waisted ski, but like it for what it does. J has a market target and hits it 100% dead-on with killer digital presence marketing and continual messaging to his audience with a limited-edition, constant carousel of different limited-run graphics on his base chassis. Smart marketing, laser-focused customer targeting. J has been around the block a few times, seeing the corporate ski industry from the outside as a startup, from the inside as an employee and subsumed brand (Line), to a next-gen 21st century ski startup. He has infectious positive attitude and it shows in his brand. His twin tips really represent what seems like a standard for this type of ski design. They work as intended, and they come in tons of cool graphic options every few months.

JSkis The Metal 180cm "GTO" Graphic
135-106-124 r=17m@180cm


“Party in the front, Party in the back, Business in the middle.”


“Mischievous, surfy DNA tempered with some metal”




JSkis Masterblaster (Left) and "The Metal" (Right)





Manufacturer’s Description:

“High speed power and stability that effortlessly floats in powder, yet still rips groomers. The Metal has all of the high performance, powerful benefits you’d expect from a ski with Titanal metal in it, yet without the extra weight. The secret to it's award winning design is in the way we’ve optimized the metal laminate’s geometry & location to add power only where you need it, and reduce weight where you don’t. The result is exponential power & stability with a shockingly nimble, lively & fun feel. You’ve got a ridiculously fun cliff stomping, crud crushing, pow surfing ski that will also have you smiling ear to ear on groomer days laying down high-speed hip dragging carves like you just won a gold medal in Olympic GS.”

Manufacturer Info:

Jason Levinthal
JSkis
Burlington, Vermont, United States
(802) 585-1098
[email protected]
http://jskis.com/
https://www.facebook.com/jskis
http://twitter.com/jskis4
http://instagram.com/j_skis

Suggested Retail Price (MSRP):

$699 usd (2016)
OneYear Warranty
Free Shipping
100% Satisfaction Money-Back Policy
(“I personally guarantee these are the best skis & you'll love them. If for any reason within your first 3 days of skiing on them at the mountain, you don't love them, you can literally send them back, & I'll refund your total product & shipping costs! If you don't like em', send them back & we'll ride them!”)

Usage Class:

Freeride – soft snow bias

Rating (with comments):
(1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

6 for boilerplate due to rockered tip and tail feel, soft flex
8 for packed powder groomers...most speeds up below warp nine.
9 for mixed conditions...loose and playful feel, not a crud-busting dozer
Powder conditions unavailable for testing by press time

Summary:

The Metal is not just a fatter version of the Masterblaster, but a completely different animal which behaves a bit different than J’s description (not just in our opinion, but some other ski review sources as well). We found The Metal is a balanced, playful, fun-loving twin tip given a more calm, settled feel than a similar designs without the Titanal strip down the middle of the core. The relatively soft, rockered tip and tail make The Metal easy to slarve into turns and happy to soak up terrain features, while a somewhat firmer midsection gives you the ability to carve it into packed surfaces if you get it up on edge and set it into the snow. The shorter effective edge feel makes The Metal behave like a shorter ski, so ordering a size larger than you normally would makes a lot of sense. The Metal is more playful and loose than strong and solid like more mainstream hard-charging, big mountain skis, but its fun factor is very high and its quiet behavior makes it suitable to cruise at most speeds below warp nine unless there are chunky debris fields under the surface which can get The Metal to get deflected a little on its trajectory. Surfy mischief is The Metal’s forte, and any park + pipe addict looking to venture out into non-park terrain anywhere on or off-piste will find this 106mm-waisted ski a great tool, especially when there is fresh snow to play with. It’s super agile and changes direction with centered pivots, smears or edged carves on demand, which will make it a fun ride in the trees when it’s a powder day. High speed boilerplate or hardpack arcs reveal The Metal can break loose at the front or rear if you’re not centered on the midsection and get your turn shape pressured incorrectly along the trajectory, but it’s easy handling makes it easy enough to quickly correct the error and get back on-track. This is a surfy cruiser, not a GS or big-mountain charging tool, but its super easy and super fun.

Technical Ski Data:

Titanal Metal Laminate
Maple Wood Core
Full Height Sidewalls
Sintered Base
Rubber Laminate
Quasi Isotropic Fiberglass
High Definition Digital Printing
Weight (measured) 2098 grams, 2167grams

Bindings, Boots, Wax & Tune Used:

Marker Jester Alpine Demo Bindings
Salomon S-Max 120 boots.
Green Ice waxes, cold and warm
Skied as-is out of the box – waxing only.

Pre-Skiing Impression:

Good fit and finish, Subdued, stealthy “GTO” limited edition black graphic (all JSkis graphics are “limited edition”...it’s part of the marketing effort to generate some sparcity of different editions and always bringing something new and fresh to market on a frequent basis...). Softer tips and tails and a fairly stout, straightened midsection. (Some people call this a ‘hinged” flex when observed from the side under pressure). Nice peek-a-boo see-through topsheet reveals the wood core and metal layer on top of the wood so you can see what’s inside.

Test Conditions:

Eastern corduroy, man-made dry packed powder, shallow powder (6 inches max), Spring-like corn and refrozen man-made hardpack boilerplate in places.

Hardpack and Boilerplate:

The Metal can be secure on hardpack, but prefers to be “in snow” rather than “on snow”. We might describe The Metal as being more happy on Western packed surfaces than Eastern...essentially if the surface is quiet underfoot, The Metal is a decent gripper. If it’s a classic Eastern boilerplate surface that makes a lot of noise as you cut across it, the Metal has grip underfoot when tipped on-edge and pressured deliberately, but can break loose at the tip or tail if you get yourself off-center and put too much faith in the tip or tail. It’s not slippery, but behaves like a rockered twin tip designed for surfy fun, not etching GS-trenches across bowling-alley surfaces. Vibration control is pretty good, canceling out buzz and annoying action underfoot. If you want a grip underfoot, a quick stomp gets the stronger midbody to bite and change direction without protest, so you always have bite if you want it.

Mixed Conditions:

The Metal is a carnival funhouse in mixed surface types, especially cut-up fresh snow, spring-like corny conditions and bumpy terrain, letting its compliant tip draw the body of the ski into the stronger midsection where you can set your direction across your arc and finish off the easy-to-ride tail with little or no effort. You can drive or ride The Metal through mixed surfaces as you like, and not burn all your calories in the process, which makes it a fun ski. Jason has designed this ski to pop in and out of terrain with a surfy, easy feel, yet deliver a stable platform underfoot when pressured through variable surface types. The soft tip can get knocked around a little if the surface is chunky or hidden garbage under the surface deflects the forebody, but its compliant nature means you can bring it back into line with a quick correction and not feel like you’ve been dragged off your line by some force of evil with no mercy. The softer the snow or deeper the surface depth, the more The Metal shines. It loves to be “in” snow rather than “on” snow. The fun factor of The Metal in mixed terrain is a big feature. The only reservation is the slightly unsettled feeling or flap when you get up to ticket-pulling speeds through chop, but this is somewhat normal with soft twin tips more focused on delivering fun than speed records through crusty crud and junkyard snowfields.

Bumps and Powder:

We didn’t get a chance to take The Metals into serious bumps since it was too early in the season to find snow deep enough to support big bump formation, but we did get into bumps a little less than knee-high, both tightly spaced and widely spaced, and these skis absorbed the bumps really well with a smooth, gradual feel and excellent pop underfoot when you pressed into the trough and rebounded over the bumps, or pounded the faces with the midbody. The nicely tapered design of the tip and tail eliminated any hooking or hangups. The Metals can flow through bumps like water and have the agility to change direction at any time in undulating terrain. You won’t fight The Metals in bumps, you ride them.

Analogies: ("This ski is like...")

A loose, fun, nearly goofy big dog with the ability to track like a hound on edge if it finds the scent it wants.

Vermont Beverage Most Like This Ski:

Harpoon Take Five Session IPA: Vibrant, fun tropical frontside with pine notes and malty backbone.
http://www.harpoonbrewery.com/beer/378051/harpoon-take-5

Things We Would Change About This Ski:

Like the Masterblaster, maybe make a version with a flat tail to get it to really rail at the end of hardpack turns. Maybe try a version with full-width metal sheet or extra triax fiberglass or flax to give the shaping geometry some stout foundation.

Short Answer When Someone Asks "What Do You Think About This Ski?":

The Masterblaster is a playfully loose freestyle-bred twin with carving chops if the snow is grippy.

Advice To People Considering This Ski:

Consider a slightly longer length than you might normally order since the rocker and soft forebody will make it feel shorter than it measures.

Who and What Are These Good For?

People who want a surfy, 105+ underfoot platform delivering more fun than hard work in softer conditions. Explorers off the groomed trails who want to get mischievous.



Pics:





JSkis Masterblaster (Left) and "The Metal" (RIght)





JSkis Masterblaster (Left) and "The Metal" (RIght)





JSkis Masterblaster (Left) and "The Metal" (RIght)





JSkis"The Metal" (Left) Masterblaster (Right)



JSkis Masterblaster (Front) "The Metal" (Rear)
Note rocker difference tip and tail.



JSkis Masterblaster (Rear) "The Metal" (Front)



JSkis "The Metal" Tip Rocker



JSkis "The Metal" Tail Rocker



"Made-Up-Tech" ...Word....





JSkis "The Metal" showing Titanal band on top of the core with tapering width as it approaces the tail. Metal at the tip is similar.







JSkis "The Metal" narrow (thin) vertical profile. This image is taken just in front of the binding toepiece where the rocker begins. Note the thickness of the ski.
 

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I found the Metal to be very light and playful, almost puppyish. And, like a puppy, it had a short attention span and wandered a bit when it saw something shiny ...

This is a wonderful description.

I've only had the opportunity to get on these skis one day so far. I definitely noticed them wandering off at times. In fact, they wandered so much that I thought there was possibly an issue with the tune. I'm planning to post a more detailed review when I get out on them again.

But I believe @FairToMiddlin has been on them recently.
 

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For the first day on them considering the conditions, the skis held up nicely. For my first day I was mainly testing how far I could bend them and see if they'd flex back, and they performed marvelously. They are extremely Flexy and will bend as much as you need them to, even with the stiffest binding. I will add to this post further when I test them this coming week on moguls and harder hitting booters.


Flex tests: Here I demonstrate my version of flexing the skis while on the snow as well as I can, or how I would typically ski a ski.


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Firm test: For the first firmness test all I was able to manage was tip dragging the ski, to demonstrate that it will hold up when being put into this kind of situation.

 

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J Skis The Metal
Dimensions: 135-106-124
Radius: 17m@173cm
Size tested: 173
Design: Skyfather – David Hale x J Collab

"Flexy" and "soft" are two words I’ve heard from others who have reviewed this ski, which is not what you’d expect from a ski named "The Metal" -- but then Jason Levinthal is known for not following the norm.

One of the first chances I had to try the Metal was on a powder day that served up snow that some wouldn’t call powder. Game on. The Metal’s tip profile and rocker were all I needed to float above the heavy snow, taking me through the trees and untracked snow and into the high-traffic areas that quickly filled with chopped-up crud. With the incredible winter we’ve had in Tahoe, I’ve been fortunate to ski this ski on several occasions in a variety of snow consistencies. For me, The Metal has been a great powder and tree ski.
  • Who is it for? A lightweight skier looking for a playful powder ski.
  • Who is it not for? A heavier or hard-charging skier.
  • Insider tip: Think outside the box.
 

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I have the J Skis the Metal "Hell yeahs" and they are my go to ski. I love them and can rip just about anywhere. I can rip groomers to float through powder. I am a bit of a hard charger on skis, but I do find these can hold up to whatever I throw at them. When I was making the decision to get them, I called them to get a bit more information on the Metal. I fully expected to speak to a customer service rep, but Jason himself answered the phone. We had a great discussion, and talked about options and what kind of skier I am, etc etc. We hung up, and I ordered them immediately. One of the best ski purchases I have made.
Just thought I would throw in my 2 cents. Thanks!!
 

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Agree with all of this.

The Metal is a wonderfully balanced ski that has worked well in just about every condition. It's surprisingly balanced even on harder surfaces. There's something about the arc of the ski that makes it want to turn intuitively no matter the surface, pitch, or size of your turn. Very nice in trees and/or powder (and of course we prefer both) . Huge sweet spot.

The comment about length is spot on. J answered the phone and recommended I size up. I have not regretted it. Nice having the extra running length and the ski is nimble in tight terrain and bumps. And yeah, the top end has some tip flutter when you Mach it, but that doesn't really affect the stability; it just gets your attention if you let it. You can let these skis ride fast, but it's the first ski I've had in a long time which didn't require speed or steep to get enough energy into the turn. You can be lazy on this ski, but that's an option, not a requirement. It also easy to break the tails free when you want; that gives some confidence to push the ski knowing you can shut it down or side slip. This is not a heavy rockered ski, but it's all the rocker I need.

The Metal definitely has a loose feel when you want it, and it's not easily deflected from the piloted course when you are holding to a line. It won't be trenching through the chunder as much as it will just go over it. It has a different feel, but oddly stable. It's that large sweet spot providing resilience and an easy ride in the tough situation.

Last winter in Tahoe provided the perfect proving grounds to test it in powder of varying (sometimes legendary and/or hyped) depths and composition. No problems. Lots of smiles. Rear tele tip was pretty much on autopilot with no tip dive. I bought it for soft snow performance and can vouch for it.

The main downsides I can point to are that it's a generalist (specialized skis can do better in any one area) and that it's on the heavier side as you earn your turns (but not outrageously heavy). You've also probably sized up so you have a bigger ski that weighs more and makes kick turns slightly harder. The tapered metal layer gives the ski the great downhill performance with a minor uphill tradeoff.

If you're considering this ski and it sounds like your style, just buy it. J let's you return it after a few days on the hill if you don't like it. It's a fair bet, and J knows you're gonna love this ski.
Just a happy customer. Just skiing....
 
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Spot on Eric! Awesome review, and I totally agree with it all. Jason and I also talked length and I went up a touch in size as well. I has been a great decision.
 

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Just thought I would throw this in to this post as well, I just got the Jskis "The Friend" (180) https://jskis.com/collections/friend/products/pioneer-cabin
I have been itching to get out on them, so I took it out on Saturday morning to Northstar...yes I know it is considered a powder ski, and we have had no power in Cali, but they looked sad sitting there in my office while I have been taking out The Metals. I will admit, my 1st impressions, on groomed runs mind you, is that they rip! I could arch/turn them with no issues. I cruised over chopped up stuff like nobody's business as well. Again this is just my 1st time out on them, but I had a ball, and am looking forward to skiing them again soon...hopefully in powder soon. @JLev can really make some killer skis, this is my third pair of JSkis and I am very happy with them all.
Keep up the snow dances!!
 

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